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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Aug 10, 2010 12:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Touring With The Dead

I am always intriqued by numbers. A friend of mine boasted she saw over 200 Grateful Dead shows, but then said she hardly ever went inside! This statement kind of blows my mind. Touring with the Dead involved a whole aspect of community on the road that existed as much for itself, as any music the group might be playing on-stage that night. The parking lot folks it seems were seeking an On The Road experience and using the GD as its engine and motivation. There really has been no other group like this before or since - a kind of travelling circus for freaks and the curious. A lot of us pour over the set lists, the rating systems of Cliff and others, the great versions of Dew or Dark Star, yet for many deadheads it seems the music was just a rather expensive sideshow to the main event - which was The Community. This travelling collection of like minded souls seeking in each other and the world a sort of transcedental gateway into a new way of living.

For these folks the next show was not about will they open with Jack Straw or maybe The Promised Land - hell, they were at the promised land and ticket money was expensive. A different take on the Dead and what Jerry's death really meant, which I believe was the loss of this travelling community that has yet to find its equal in any music group or act. What was created over years died along with Jerry that day, and I am sure he knew it's weight, and that was the ability to come together and experience new towns and new cities and see the country like a Dean Moriority and feel yea, this is where I want to be, this is where I want to be tomorrow. The music was a comfort and it felt charged to be near great musicians with roots in the 60's, to be sitting at the foot of the Buddha, knowing wonderous things were available to those who knew where to look. Thinking perhaps you too, were on the right trail...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 10, 2010 4:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

I'm also intrigued. I too toured and attended about 100 shows. To this day I can't imagine why I bothered.

It couldn't have been the music. Though I enjoyed most of those shows at the time, I cant bring myself to listen to more than maybe two or three of them now. With just a few exceptions, they truly sucked.

And it couldnt have been the parking lot scene. I was repulsed by that riff-raff at the time, and just thinking about standing in line with those unwashed masses who reeked of cannabis, patchouli and body odor is too much for me now.

I honestly wish I could get back all the time and money I wasted touring. What a senseless and counter-productive waste of time and money that was...

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 11, 2010 10:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

"It couldn't have been the music. Though I enjoyed most of those shows at the time, I cant bring myself to listen to more than maybe two or three of them now. With just a few exceptions, they truly sucked."

You must have been one of those people who slept during shows. It always amazed me.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 12, 2010 6:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

I'm amazed too!

That so many heads can actually enjoy listening to those horrendous, mailed-in performances that Jer sleep-walked through in a Persian haze during the mid to late-eighties...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 12, 2010 7:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

So many of those shows were awful . That is true Cliff . But when your a babe and that's all you know , it imprints on you, like a chick to a hen . Emotionally it holds a place . Intellectually , as I said before , I would trade all my '87 - '95 for some late sixties . But that is only in my dreams . I have , shall we say , mixed feelings on seeing them so many times to the detriment to other aspects of my life . That is another story .


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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 12, 2010 7:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

I have sent you an email

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 10, 2010 7:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

You really are your own personal bizarre chapter in the story of the Dead.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 10, 2010 5:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

So I presume the sucking was only detectable retrospectively and not immediately apparent to the junior Cliff who, oblivious of the looming distaste of his future self, somehow, naively, found himself enjoying the experience, the young fool.

Mr Hucker, you have morphed into a hard-nosed old cynic. I think it's why I've come to like you so much.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 10, 2010 5:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

"Idealism is what precedes experience; cynicism is what follows."

David T. Wolf

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 10, 2010 6:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

Great quote, D. Certainly has the ring of truth about it.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Aug 10, 2010 8:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

Over 19 years, saw them over 200 times, mostly East Coast from '77-'80 after that almost exclusively from Chicago to SF, Alaska to Houston. From '77-'86 I saw them a low of 12 to a high of 20 times a year. After '86, my show attendance dropped off significantly, you know, growing up, raising a family, getting a real job and all. While I enjoyed the PL scene for maybe an hour or so before a show, after it I would get out as soon as I could.

I'm getting these numbers out of my ass, so I'm just guessing here, but I would estimate the "tour" folks to be a lot less than 1% of the total fan base. While they were very visible and colorful, I would say there were less than a 1000 of these folks at each show, in groups of 3-10 scattered around the lot, most of them appearing at a majority of venues. In a typical year over a span of, say, 100 shows and a low average of 10,000 attendees per show, there must have been at least 1,000,000 tickets sold. I doubt that the average shows per year of most fans was more than 2-3. The vast majority probably only saw them once a year and a very few more than 10.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 10, 2010 8:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

Jerry actually discusses the folks touring with the band in this 2-part interview in Las Vegas. He suggests its a small percentage yet comes up with a number like 5000 people which is still an amazing number. (he discusses in the beginning of part 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBuBKctZ0xE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5af3P8gOOQo&;feature=related


Sadly he also discusses wanting to live to see 2000.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 10, 2010 8:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

I think another way would be to count up all the vehicles that you saw at every show (I can remember quite a few that were ALWAYS there) and multiply by the average number of passengers. Then you could increase/decrease that number using a pre-detemined margin of error.

Or, you could have measured the amount of foul-smelling particles in the air of a parking lot(say in parts per million) and devised a way of how to assign the number of particles seeping from the unwashed skin of each head.

Or, you could go back to work so you don't HAVE to end up selling $1 bagles.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 10, 2010 9:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

Ha! My folks still believe it was "bagels" and "burritos" I was selling to put fuel in the car to get to the next show...

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Poster: vapors Date: Aug 10, 2010 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

I doubt that any statistics from us forumites could be very representative of all deadheads, but I was by any definition a tour head. I saw shows with increasing frequency from fall 1979 until 1992, and after that saw shows sporadically through the final tour. There were a couple of years where I only missed a handful of shows. As near as I can figure, I have been to at least 460 Dead shows, and something like 40 JGB. Amazing as it may sound, I only missed one, and I was inside that night but left for reasons that I choose not to mention here. I have crossed this country many times in this pursuit. Someday I may have the nerve to relate how I managed to pull this off, and it wouldn’t be a boastful disclosure for sure, although perhaps entertaining and enlightening to some.

The scene was always an important and necessary component of tour life, but for me it was ALWAYS about the music, and Getting Inside.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 10, 2010 7:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

That really is amazing.
You're the person who should write the book. Do you need a ghost writer? It would be so much fun.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 10, 2010 9:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

Do you do ghostwriting? That would be fun. I could do ghostwriting. We can divvy up the forumites. You've called vapors; who else wants a ghostwriter? I think Rob would be the one to do Cliff.

Then you and I can divide up the band. I don't think Bill will talk to me, cuz of that earlier thread, so you have dibs on Bill. That means I get to do Bob's book. Should be interesting. I could call it "The Brotherhood of the Traveling Pants."

My own tour stories (or "mini-tour") wouldn't be such an exciting read. Sort of like: Music! More music! Yet more music! It snows, it rains, friend sells PBJ sandwiches in the lot, then sleeps in his own cozy bed. More music! Not much of a book there, I'm afraid, though lots of good music, IMO. (Not being inclined to subject my own shows to critical analysis after the fact.) Vapors' book, though, should be great. Provided the statute of limitations has run out :-)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 11, 2010 7:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

>Do you do ghostwriting? That would be fun. I could do ghostwriting. We can divvy up the forumites. You've called vapors; who else wants a ghostwriter? I think Rob would be the one to do Cliff.

It really would be fun. I am not a writer, I'm an editor, though I'm a pretty full-service editor and can do heavy rewrites. In other words, I'm expert at critiquing others' prose, not so great at creating my own.

>Then you and I can divide up the band. I don't think Bill will talk to me, cuz of that earlier thread, so you have dibs on Bill. That means I get to do Bob's book.

Totally unfair!!! :) You can't have Bob, Bob is obviously the grand prize. I have been thinking about this for awhile and am ready to start as soon as Bob contacts me :)

Seriously though I hope someone with a lot of knowledge of the band does this SOON and I would be very excited to help out.

Traveling pants ha ha, my working title is "Bob Weir: Saint of Circumstance."

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 11, 2010 7:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

How about, Bob Weir: Estimated Profit ...

Hmmm. No. Bob Weir: Underestimated Prophet. (He might like that better.)

Hey, we can work together. Ghostwriter, ghost editor ... all we need is a ghost researcher who actually knows something, in order to ask sensible questions. Maybe LiA is available?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 11, 2010 10:30am
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LOL that's the issue. I would love to do it but I don't know anything about anything, 'cept a few song lyrics.

Underestimated saint of circumstance? (As you can see, I'm wedded to saint of circumstance.)

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Poster: vapors Date: Aug 11, 2010 3:26am
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Yes, I have been waiting for the statute of limitations to run out!

The thought of a book that could evolve from my experiences with the band and the community that followed them has percolated in the back of my mind from time to time. While I believe I have shed much of the baggage that ended up accumulating from my experience and feel more clear than ever on some things, there are other people to consider. Of course it would be fun coming up with aliases.

Much of what I could say is pretty sensitive stuff, and having an overview of the forum past and present I would be hesitant in disclosing certain aspects of the story. I suppose I care what people think of me here, although that hasn’t always stopped me from posting! One slight amendment to my statement about always getting in – I was apprehended once before a show for vending without a license and thereby missed the show that night.

After all these years since tour ended I still cherish those moments with Jerry, as unappealing as they may sound to some today, and I have come to accept (and expect) that some of us will always put down the band’s later performances.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 11, 2010 7:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

You really should write something. At the very least, to donate to the USC archives, for history's sake. Being rather obsessed with history and first-person narratives, I really do think it's important that somebody (hopefully LOTS of people) do that. And hey, the statute of limitations will have certainly run out by the time you get to be somebody's PhD project in 2067 ...

Or, on the other hand, you can just write a juicy book and make lots of money :-)

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 11, 2010 8:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

vapors , we may have met along the way . Just to be in the same room as JG . Why do you think I got involved w/the Spinners to begin with ?
Be careful vapors . There is a vile book out there , Growing Up Dead . It's reach is far beyond its grasp . It paints with a broad brush , rather clumsily .
There is always sensitive information , v - beyond any aliases . Always will be . And that pesky wanting to be liked , or at least not shot upon . I mean , here with all your friends on IA , you could tell us anything . ;)
You , we all do , need to set time aside at some point and put this stuff down . Laugh if you must , but it is primary history .
O.K. v , you stinking Tour Rat .

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 11, 2010 7:21am
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Lotta juicy hints in there :)

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 10, 2010 2:13pm
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Stunned, amazed and jealous here. Pull up a chair and tell the stories sometime when you get a chance.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 10, 2010 6:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

Wow. Impressive. Please tell stories some time! You, PG, Micah and others who really truly toured!

I always wanted to be a tourhead, but I was never cool enough. Pesky things like college and work kept getting in the way. I'd travel for shows, but not terribly far, so I never got to the West Coast or places like MSG or anything in New England. Luckily, though, there'd generally be a series of shows in a string, so I guess you could call that a "mini-tour." Roughly DC to Alpine Valley, the farthest being Iowa ... a TDIH, and a smoking show, actually!

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1982-08-10.sbd.miller.102577.flac16

Mostly 78-85, Midwest area, and then later in Colorado, but not traveling at that point cuz I had a real job (versus a job like pouring coffee that you can leave for a week). Last show was 92, then I was overseas, like now, and they somehow didn't come where I lived ...






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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 10, 2010 7:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

Couldn't disagree more (har, har...SDH...).

Seriously. But, like you, I love numbers, and I'd love to know if ducats is right.

What is the # that "toured"?

Personally, I never, EVER interacted with ANYONE but the 30 or so friends and family that over my 8 yrs of shows, 74-82, attended with me one time or another...I never, EVER did anything in a parking lot but walk straight past everyone and get to the biz at hand. Well, once I gawked for a while, but she was worth it.

I never left the Bay Area for a show.

Now, we've discussed before that the whole pk lot scene developed later, so it wasn't as if I was ignoring a mass of humanity.

And, you all know me well enough to imagine I'd never eat something from someone barely above fungal infestation level code red, burrito or otherwise...

So, my community was entirely local, and based more on tapes and bootlegs and such; parties before and afterward. But, I can't say I ever talked or developed friendships with anyone I met at a DEAD show...I was taking it way too seriously (listening).

I did ask the big guy in overalls with beard (you know, SDH--we've talked about him before; he's in the movie) to "twirl left" as he was completely blocking my view (seriously...he kindly obliged).

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 10, 2010 7:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

Bite me.

But yes, I agree that the total percentage of your average head vs. hardcore tour freak puts the full time tour folks at maybe 10% (at most). I went when the money was there for tics and the distance to the show wasn't more than a full day's drive (except for the trip to Red Rocks, but that was worth every penny).

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 10, 2010 7:41am
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I was so confident the fungal comment would get your attn, and then you surprise me with addt'l insights...wonders never cease.

It's intriguing about the 10% figure; we need more folks to chime in, and someone to run a proper statistical sampling protocol and follow up analysis (this is right up elb's alley; he could probably do a three factor ANOVA and sort this all out for us).

Most striking, however, is that even if we agree on it being a smallish #, it clearly is what the public perception came to be, right? That all HEADs toured extensively, were an unkept, smelly bunch (this I cannot accept about RingleeO and Miss D) that grubbed for food when and wherever possible while hitching rides to the next campground or parking lot...

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 10, 2010 7:47am
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I would put that number even lower - 2-3% at best. The majority I've met over time varied in their devotion, from only a few shows to upwards of 200, but none of them "toured." Always been intrigued to know how big the GD universe really is. How many deadheads are there? What do we have to quantify that with? I suppose if someone knew the real numbers of each album sold, that would be a start.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 10, 2010 8:07am
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One answer to my question from Facebook - 546,833 "like" the GD page. Does that sound like a good number of Deadheads?

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 10, 2010 7:58am
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I wonder which GD fan (not band member) actually saw the most shows (and not just the lot scene)
The HARD CORE...maybe well over 1000 shows?

I saw 10 to 15 spanning 2 decades- all Bay Area shows, not much :(

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Aug 10, 2010 8:18am
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For the record I saw 104 shows, from 1981 to 1990, my last show nicely enough was the Branford Show at Nassau in 1990. I always thought touring with the Dead was essential, and living in Jersey, I travelled to Alpine, and Manor Downs, St Paul, etc, as often as I could.

In Fact my most cherised Dead moment is standing in a Parking Lot in Syracuse, 35 degrees out, just about show time, girlfriend and I with only 1 ticket, about to give up getting a second, and start down the "Ok you go in road" when who should appear but "Our Miracle Car" two guys whose third buddy couldn't make it, and did we need a ticket? The look of joy on my very cute girlfriends face was tons better than that Playing In The Band that night.
Priceless! You bet. We saw just about every show together, usually bought on tour books in the mail.


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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 10, 2010 9:05am
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LOL, I haven't read the rest of the thread which I fear may have deteriorated from here ... but thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt that I don't smell. I never did anything remotely like "touring" unless you count jumping in the car (in this rather rudderless period of my life) when my deadhead housemate, who could afford it, rounded up his friends and acquaintances and passed out tickets and said, "We're going to see the Dead, aren't you coming?" (He toured, but he wasn't selling bagels in the parking lot, he had a trust fund.)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 10, 2010 7:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

Please, let's not debate what is, and what is not, up Larry's alley.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 10, 2010 8:20am
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hmm, when my alley has become the topic of conversation then you know the thread is headed towards the gutter. Do you think someone can come along and spare us of such a fate or will we strike this up as another turkey of a post.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 10, 2010 8:34am
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Well, it seems that the majority of this thread has remained on point. My one attempt at bringing the conversation to the level of 5th grade bathroom humor seems to have failed. In some ways I am grateful.

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 10, 2010 2:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

I agree, small percentage.

I sold some T-shirts and stickers in the parking lot. I never went to a venue without a ticket. I'm a planner. Someday I plan to be a nomad.

We traveled to AZ and OR for shows. I never enjoyed them as much as hometown shows. Although the sales were much better on the road as opposed to Oakland or Mt.View or Cal Expo.

Touring heads were normal people......individuals dealing with varying levels of shit. The misconception that they were, or should have all been, "kind and friendly" still exists today.

You'd think there would have been at least one great writer among the touring crowd. One who could tell the story of the journey and the people in an entertaining manner. But here we are 15 years later and the great touring head novel has yet to materialize.

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: Aug 11, 2010 5:44am
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recently read "Tiger in a Trance" by Max Ludington. I did not like this book at all -- to me, the book is about drug abuse, not the dead or touring. Here are some official reviews:
http://www.jambase.com/Articles/5963/MAX-LUDINGTON-TIGER-IN-A-TRANCE-A-NOVEL(-I)-(Anchor-'04)
http://nymag.com/nymetro/arts/books/reviews/n_9088/

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 11, 2010 9:32am
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Growing Up Dead is similar . We just haven't found our writers yet . They are out there . Must not be time yet .

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 10, 2010 6:07pm
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Check out Growing up Dead: Hallucinated Confessions of a Teenage Deadhead. I haven't read it yet, but it looks good. Not a novel, but a memoir -- and not, thankfully, one in which he tells made-for-Oprah tales of woe and recovery:

http://www.amazon.com/Growing-Up-Dead-Hallucinated-Confessions/dp/0306817330/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&;s=books&qid=1281488777&sr=8-1

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 10, 2010 9:19pm
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Thanks AR. I appreciate the response.

Rasta, I was never a touring head. I was a Bay Area kid and I was lucky enough to have the opportunity to attend many, many Bay Area concerts and sporting events. My love for the music inspired me to see the band often. However, I never fit the profile of lot-rat, tour-kid or bus-seat-filler. I was fingered by heads in the lot as a cop on more than one occasion. So it completed my throw-back experience when a kid standing outside the Senator Theater said, "evening officer" as I approached the door. DSO was playing. I laughed much more loudly than I did as a kid.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 11, 2010 8:22pm
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Hey Flow--I was struck by the salesman in you...if you don't mind my asking, was it just a lark? IE, you weren't hugely invested? I guess I wouldn't have pegged you as "one" though that in no way was meant to sound as negative as I think it does now...hmmm. I can see you looking like a cop, in a good way...har, but truly.

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 11, 2010 9:54pm
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Well WT, that was the beauty of it. I knew the owner of Club Dead a licensed merchandiser of GD products. They also had their own line of T-Shirts and stickers designed by independent artists.

He would set us up with some sticker display boards and some slightly flawed clothing. We would bring some homemade tie-dye, which we became rather skilled at producing. Thus we had a conversation starter, bartering power and few bucks in our pockets. The Club Dead guy, who shall remain nameless, only asked for a small percentage in return. Interestingly, it was easier to trade for good pot at a show than it was to buy it.

We cleaned up in Arizona in 1992. My pal and I went with about $50 each. We paid for tickets at Dillards, all the party essentials, Gas-Food-Lodging(although we did crash at some AZ heads place for a night)and each came home with a couple hundred, plus the nut for the Big Guy. Sweet deal.

Oakland was always dry hole. Often it was just too cold and miserable to stand around and vend. We'd sometimes do promotional hand-outs for Club Dead. Free T-Shirts are always popular. All of this also resulted in my wife and I receiving vendor wrist-bands for Shoreline shows. There was a lot of back-scratching going on.

Ours was an odd group. Club Dead guy and gal, my buddy Jake from the Warriors, an NBA Beat Writer for CC Times, occasionally Walton and who ever I would take with me. My current wife included in said group. The NBA guy would walk right out of the building at halftime and FILL his media bag with beer and bring them back to our section. It was madness. It was truly unforgettable.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 12, 2010 6:52am
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Outstanding! Truly an inside perspective; must have been an absolute gas...

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 10, 2010 3:06pm
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that's your your book to write high flow..."The deadlot meanderings of a nomad"
yeah, we need a better title

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 10, 2010 8:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead? not on your life...

Ironically i was knee deep in statistical analyses when i read this but no ANOVA, just comparing two populations so the student's t test is working just fine. However I think with this group you would need a real statistician and not someone who uses a stats program for dummies.

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Poster: ducats Date: Aug 10, 2010 5:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

I should add; what percentage of deadheads do you think toured - 10% MAX.

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Aug 10, 2010 4:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

I very rarely toured. Started seeing shows in 77, Auditorium Theatre, Chicago. Last show 94, Soldier Field, Chicago. Most shows I saw on one tour was probably 7. I saw a total of fewer than 40 shows all told in those 17 years. I did, however see the Jerry Garcia band, in various incarnations approximately 20 times, and Bobby's bands, again in various incarnations another maybe 10 during those years. I went as far afield as Colorado (Red Rocks).

For me, there were maybe at the most 2 shows in which I didn't make it inside to see the concert. In fact, the music was so much the reason, though I did love the lot as well, that I also went for the warm up bands. I could never understand why not see a band when having paid for them. My lord. Traffic played for an audience of maybe 2000 people, on a day when maybe 65,000 people were there to see the Dead. This was Traffic! There's no logic behind that.

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Poster: Hal R Date: Aug 10, 2010 7:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

no logic at all, but I don't think people were thinking logically

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Poster: ducats Date: Aug 10, 2010 5:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

I disagree - it was 90% about the music.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 10, 2010 7:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

You know, DC, I really like your style...I'd raise your 90% to 110% in my possibly idiosyncratic (there's a good word for ya) case...but I know I am an oddball when it comes to the DEAD in many respects.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Aug 10, 2010 11:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

I can relate to this I think.
I guess I would be considered a tour person with over 100 shows inside. This was done over a wide variety of places, during mostly the 88-91 period, but with the distinction that for me it was about seeing the shows, where as, for what I would say was the majority of tour folks, just being there was all that mattered, and seeing the show was just a bonus on most nights.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 10, 2010 11:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

I saw well in excess of 100 shows, and often caught 10 to 12 shows in a row, but don't consider myself a tour head. I consider a tour head someone who followed the band to every date of a tour. Like all the shows on a spring tour, while I would catch blocks of 4 to 6 shows over a span of two weeks (like 3 Greeks and 2 Venturas over the course of two weekends or 3 Hamtpons and then a handful of other east coast dates on a spring run - worked out around hoops' schedule and the odd class).

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Poster: Jobygoob Date: Aug 10, 2010 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

I saw the GD about a hundred times from 1987-1995. The closest I came to being on "tour" was from spring tour 1989 to summer tour 1990, when I visited (in order)Pittsburgh Civic Arena, Philly JFK, Deer Creek Illinois, Alpine Valley Wisconsin, Hampton Virginia, Philly Spectrum, Landover Maryland, Hartford Connecticut, Hamilton Ontario, Albany New York, Louisville Kentucky, and finally ending up in Pittsburgh PA again at Three Rivers Stadium. That was 25 shows over a little more than a year, and it seemed like alot at the time, but of course nowhere near enough to be considered "on tour". How I managed to not flunk out of Penn State that year I'm not sure, but I came close, which curtailed my travelling for the rest of my time in school, though I still managed to see quite a few shows before I eventually graduated.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 10, 2010 9:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

I'd call those who went to more than 100 shows hardcore fans - hats off to Capt. Cook, Joby and PurpleGel. Obviously, no other band can boast this kind of following. I envy all of you.

My biggest regret in life is not attending shows in the 70s... too busy with finishing school, getting married, kids, yada, yada. GD music has been part of my life though, since 1972.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 10, 2010 6:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Touring With The Dead

Couldnt agree more. As a matter of fact this very subject came up between me and the much better half a couple of days ago. I had found the "documentary" filmed during the boys last tour and she actually sat and watched with me. As we saw the endless parade of folks who obviously had their entire lives built up around the band and the "community", my wife turned to me and asked "What are these folks doing now?". I can only hope they found something a little more tangible but close to as rewarding to focus their life on. To dedicate your existence to others has it's positives I suppose but when those same "others" pack it in, you are left with some serious reorganizing of your life to do. When Jerry passed away, I wonder if these folks realy knew what would happen to the community. And this must have been one of the things that weighed so heavily on Jerry, knowing that when he was no longer around there would almost immediately be an immense number of people having to seriously reset their life. I mean, I'm not sure there is anywhere else you can support yourself selling $1 bagles. If there is, please let me know, this whole "job" thing is such a bummer.

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2010-08-10 13:05:31